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		<title>Comment on Money Talks (have you been listening?) by Book Reviews &#124; Presbyterian Record</title>
		<link>http://www.presbyterianrecord.ca/2007/01/01/money-talks-have-you-been-listening/comment-page-1/#comment-935</link>
		<dc:creator>Book Reviews &#124; Presbyterian Record</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Money Talks (have you been listening?) Stewardship means we choose life in the image of God by Ted Siverns [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Nominees for moderator speak up : Rev. Dr. Laurence DeWolfe by Nominees for moderator speak up &#124; Presbyterian Record</title>
		<link>http://www.presbyterianrecord.ca/2007/02/01/nominees-for-moderator-speak-up-rev-dr-laurence-dewolfe/comment-page-1/#comment-934</link>
		<dc:creator>Nominees for moderator speak up &#124; Presbyterian Record</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Rev. Dr. Laurence DeWolfe Church of St. David, Halifax, Nova Scotia [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Becoming Heroes by June Poems &#124; Presbyterian Record</title>
		<link>http://www.presbyterianrecord.ca/2007/06/01/becoming-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-932</link>
		<dc:creator>June Poems &#124; Presbyterian Record</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 02:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Becoming Heroes by Marion Schaffer [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on 133rd General Assembly : How to be a commissioner: Mastering General Assembly by 133rd General Assembly &#124; Presbyterian Record</title>
		<link>http://www.presbyterianrecord.ca/2007/07/01/133rd-general-assembly-how-to-be-a-commissioner-mastering-general-assembly/comment-page-1/#comment-931</link>
		<dc:creator>133rd General Assembly &#124; Presbyterian Record</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] How to be a commissioner: Mastering General Assembly [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Poverty Dominates Pakistan by Rev shiraz shahhzad</title>
		<link>http://www.presbyterianrecord.ca/2009/12/01/poverty-dominates-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-930</link>
		<dc:creator>Rev shiraz shahhzad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HOn Shama Mall
You have very well said t=but all these must be in black and white through powerfull  christian print media,I say these work with great pain and agony that pakistan chruch never ever support any printed magzine or newspaper just those who are just his master vice.
convey my message to high authoritie as well
Rev shiraz shahhzad
Cheif editor Monthly Rabbaan lahore</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HOn Shama Mall<br />
You have very well said t=but all these must be in black and white through powerfull  christian print media,I say these work with great pain and agony that pakistan chruch never ever support any printed magzine or newspaper just those who are just his master vice.<br />
convey my message to high authoritie as well<br />
Rev shiraz shahhzad<br />
Cheif editor Monthly Rabbaan lahore</p>
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		<title>Comment on To be, to listen, to know by Rayner Prize &#124; Presbyterian Record</title>
		<link>http://www.presbyterianrecord.ca/2007/09/01/to-be-to-listen-to-know/comment-page-1/#comment-929</link>
		<dc:creator>Rayner Prize &#124; Presbyterian Record</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 15:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] To be, to listen, to know The beauty of the church by Jeremy Bellsmith [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on On Being Presbyterian&#8230; : Church Shopping by On Being Presbyterian&#8230; &#124; Presbyterian Record</title>
		<link>http://www.presbyterianrecord.ca/2007/09/01/on-being-presbyterian-church-shopping/comment-page-1/#comment-928</link>
		<dc:creator>On Being Presbyterian&#8230; &#124; Presbyterian Record</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Church Shopping A journey to her Presbyterian self. by Jennifer Higgs [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Secular Fundamentalism by Secular Militants &#124; Presbyterian Record</title>
		<link>http://www.presbyterianrecord.ca/2007/11/01/secular-fundamentalism/comment-page-1/#comment-923</link>
		<dc:creator>Secular Militants &#124; Presbyterian Record</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 12:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Secular Fundamentalism Believing is knowing. by John McTavish [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Let&#8217;s Mobilize by Jan</title>
		<link>http://www.presbyterianrecord.ca/2010/02/01/lets-mobilize/comment-page-1/#comment-922</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 21:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the Presbyterian Church to be become a mouth piece for the Liberal Party? This seems to be the intend of Tony Boonstra.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Seek To Be Changed by Chris Fischer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Fischer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a professional pastoral musician, someone who feels called to music ministry in the church as a vocation from God; in this capacity, I have been privileged to serve congregations in the Presbyterian Church in Canada, and other denominations in both Canada and the United States, for nearly 20 years. I wanted to say that your four-article cover story on issues related to music in the church is very timely, and the content on balance is exceptional -- particularly the lead article, &quot;Seek to Be Changed&quot;, by Gordon McCrostie.
 
I have to tell you that I was wary when I first saw the cover of this month&#039;s Record, with its caption, &quot;Why the Music in Church No Longer Inspires&quot;. I was filled with apprehension... Was this going to be another attack on the few people courageous (some may say, foolhardy) enough to step forward and lead the music ministries of our local congregations? Was this going to be a &quot;manifesto&quot; (to borrow a term from the previous issue concerning the process of change in the church) for doing away with organs and hymnody in favour of praise bands and screens, i.e. another salvo in the &quot;worship wars&quot;? As this article was penned by a theologian, and not a musician (as far as I knew), would it be fair and balanced? Would the author care enough not to heighten the level of fear and anxiety among many of my music minister colleagues -- who frequently feel underappreciated, even threatened with unemployment, by clergy and congregational leaders?
 
What a blessing this article turned out to be! Gordon McCrostie must have been inspired by the Holy Spirit for boldly laying out his arguments for reform of the worship experience. My ordained colleague in the congregation that I serve has been preaching for several months that our worship ought to allow our people to &quot;experience something of heaven&quot;: in other words, for worship to be precisely the &quot;transforming experience&quot; that McCrostie describes. The author&#039;s emphasis on the enhanced use of music and the other creative arts in worship -- and on moving from the old emphasis on lyric content toward a new ideal of communication beyond words -- is very much our own emphasis here in Guelph, where we are working to develop the same &quot;culture of tolerance&quot; for musical expression, and to encourage participation as a doorway to God.
 
The best part is, however, something that McCrostie neglects to mention -- or perhaps something that he treats elsewhere in his thesis but was excluded here for lack of space. Anybody can do this! With the proper guidance from those with the requisite training, through workshops, summer music camps, retreats or individual study, any of our worship leaders can animate new ways of leading, and doing, congregational music ministry. This is something which, going forward, is a great comfort to me in these times of dizzying change: that the music and worship experience in our congregations is alive, and growing in its capability to allow worshippers to experience genuine transformation (i.e. the Risen Christ) in their lives!
 
The thing is, we need access to that training -- not just to printed or recorded resources. The reality is that our congregations, on average, are quite small, and that many of them rely on volunteer music leadership that tends to be piano and/or organ-based. How do we equip these music ministers for the future without driving them away in the present? And, should we need to engage more musical and other artistic professionals in the ministry of worship, are we prepared to honour their expertise with appropriate compensation and recognition of their skills?
 
I hope that we, as the Presbyterian Church in Canada, can really make these kinds of enhancement of our worship and music ministry a genuine priority, and that in so doing we get out of the way of the Holy Spirit in leading this new Reformation of the worship of God.
 
Chris Fischer
Director of Music Ministries
Knox Presbyterian Church
Guelph, ON</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a professional pastoral musician, someone who feels called to music ministry in the church as a vocation from God; in this capacity, I have been privileged to serve congregations in the Presbyterian Church in Canada, and other denominations in both Canada and the United States, for nearly 20 years. I wanted to say that your four-article cover story on issues related to music in the church is very timely, and the content on balance is exceptional &#8212; particularly the lead article, &#8220;Seek to Be Changed&#8221;, by Gordon McCrostie.</p>
<p>I have to tell you that I was wary when I first saw the cover of this month&#8217;s Record, with its caption, &#8220;Why the Music in Church No Longer Inspires&#8221;. I was filled with apprehension&#8230; Was this going to be another attack on the few people courageous (some may say, foolhardy) enough to step forward and lead the music ministries of our local congregations? Was this going to be a &#8220;manifesto&#8221; (to borrow a term from the previous issue concerning the process of change in the church) for doing away with organs and hymnody in favour of praise bands and screens, i.e. another salvo in the &#8220;worship wars&#8221;? As this article was penned by a theologian, and not a musician (as far as I knew), would it be fair and balanced? Would the author care enough not to heighten the level of fear and anxiety among many of my music minister colleagues &#8212; who frequently feel underappreciated, even threatened with unemployment, by clergy and congregational leaders?</p>
<p>What a blessing this article turned out to be! Gordon McCrostie must have been inspired by the Holy Spirit for boldly laying out his arguments for reform of the worship experience. My ordained colleague in the congregation that I serve has been preaching for several months that our worship ought to allow our people to &#8220;experience something of heaven&#8221;: in other words, for worship to be precisely the &#8220;transforming experience&#8221; that McCrostie describes. The author&#8217;s emphasis on the enhanced use of music and the other creative arts in worship &#8212; and on moving from the old emphasis on lyric content toward a new ideal of communication beyond words &#8212; is very much our own emphasis here in Guelph, where we are working to develop the same &#8220;culture of tolerance&#8221; for musical expression, and to encourage participation as a doorway to God.</p>
<p>The best part is, however, something that McCrostie neglects to mention &#8212; or perhaps something that he treats elsewhere in his thesis but was excluded here for lack of space. Anybody can do this! With the proper guidance from those with the requisite training, through workshops, summer music camps, retreats or individual study, any of our worship leaders can animate new ways of leading, and doing, congregational music ministry. This is something which, going forward, is a great comfort to me in these times of dizzying change: that the music and worship experience in our congregations is alive, and growing in its capability to allow worshippers to experience genuine transformation (i.e. the Risen Christ) in their lives!</p>
<p>The thing is, we need access to that training &#8212; not just to printed or recorded resources. The reality is that our congregations, on average, are quite small, and that many of them rely on volunteer music leadership that tends to be piano and/or organ-based. How do we equip these music ministers for the future without driving them away in the present? And, should we need to engage more musical and other artistic professionals in the ministry of worship, are we prepared to honour their expertise with appropriate compensation and recognition of their skills?</p>
<p>I hope that we, as the Presbyterian Church in Canada, can really make these kinds of enhancement of our worship and music ministry a genuine priority, and that in so doing we get out of the way of the Holy Spirit in leading this new Reformation of the worship of God.</p>
<p>Chris Fischer<br />
Director of Music Ministries<br />
Knox Presbyterian Church<br />
Guelph, ON</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Call to See and Be Near by Andrew Root on (youth) ministry &#171; P e r ∙ C r u c e m ∙ a d ∙ L u c e m</title>
		<link>http://www.presbyterianrecord.ca/2009/06/01/a-call-to-see-and-be-near/comment-page-1/#comment-918</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Root on (youth) ministry &#171; P e r ∙ C r u c e m ∙ a d ∙ L u c e m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8216;A Call to See and Be Near&#8216; [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Poverty Dominates Pakistan by Rev shiraz shahhzad</title>
		<link>http://www.presbyterianrecord.ca/2009/12/01/poverty-dominates-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-916</link>
		<dc:creator>Rev shiraz shahhzad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good article

All The Greetings In The Name of Lord Jesus Christ
My name is Rev shiraz shahzad and i have been running a magzine for raising the voice for pakistani chritian communitysince 3 1/2 years have passed.WE want to join our hands together and be unite and do something for our pakistani christian community in a better way through print media.
In Editor monhtly Rabbaan Lahore
Pastor in charge farooqabad Presbyterian church
92.343-4233685
Christ
Rev shiraz shahhzad
cheif Editor Monthly rabbaan Lahore
www.Rabbaan .com</description>
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<p>All The Greetings In The Name of Lord Jesus Christ<br />
My name is Rev shiraz shahzad and i have been running a magzine for raising the voice for pakistani chritian communitysince 3 1/2 years have passed.WE want to join our hands together and be unite and do something for our pakistani christian community in a better way through print media.<br />
In Editor monhtly Rabbaan Lahore<br />
Pastor in charge farooqabad Presbyterian church<br />
92.343-4233685<br />
Christ<br />
Rev shiraz shahhzad<br />
cheif Editor Monthly rabbaan Lahore<br />
<a href="http://www.Rabbaan" rel="nofollow">http://www.Rabbaan</a> .com</p>
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		<title>Comment on Note from the Letters Editor by lucas warm</title>
		<link>http://www.presbyterianrecord.ca/2010/02/01/note-from-the-letters-editor/comment-page-1/#comment-915</link>
		<dc:creator>lucas warm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 22:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trust me, as I know by my name, it&#039;s not a good idea to be wishy-washy, either....</description>
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		<title>Comment on Note from the Letters Editor by Melody Hewko</title>
		<link>http://www.presbyterianrecord.ca/2010/02/01/note-from-the-letters-editor/comment-page-1/#comment-910</link>
		<dc:creator>Melody Hewko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote: &quot;The letters this month (as they do each month) really enforce the idea expressed by Revs. Ray and Joyce Hodgson (January 2010) of the Presbyterian Church being a broad centre road.&quot;

Quote: Jesus said, &quot;Enter through the narrow gate, For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.&quot; Matthew 7:13,14</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote: &#8220;The letters this month (as they do each month) really enforce the idea expressed by Revs. Ray and Joyce Hodgson (January 2010) of the Presbyterian Church being a broad centre road.&#8221;</p>
<p>Quote: Jesus said, &#8220;Enter through the narrow gate, For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.&#8221; Matthew 7:13,14</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wondering Still by Peter Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.presbyterianrecord.ca/2010/02/15/wondering-still/comment-page-1/#comment-909</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to say that I found this article very helpful.</description>
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		<title>Comment on 134th General Assembly : Keep the Conversation Going by a presby</title>
		<link>http://www.presbyterianrecord.ca/2008/07/01/134th-general-assembly-keep-the-conversation-going/comment-page-1/#comment-905</link>
		<dc:creator>a presby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wasn&#039;t a major conversation at the 134th GA about a certain magazine not producing their balance sheets until Convenor Ian Fraser was threatened with being boiled in oil if he didn&#039;t?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wasn&#8217;t a major conversation at the 134th GA about a certain magazine not producing their balance sheets until Convenor Ian Fraser was threatened with being boiled in oil if he didn&#8217;t?</p>
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		<title>Comment on 134th General Assembly : Be Not Afraid by a presby</title>
		<link>http://www.presbyterianrecord.ca/2008/07/01/134th-general-assembly-be-not-afraid/comment-page-1/#comment-904</link>
		<dc:creator>a presby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>134th General Assembly; isn&#039;t this old news--we&#039;re looking at Moderator Candiates for #136!</description>
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		<title>Comment on 134th General Assembly : Be Not Afraid by 134th General Assembly &#124; Presbyterian Record</title>
		<link>http://www.presbyterianrecord.ca/2008/07/01/134th-general-assembly-be-not-afraid/comment-page-1/#comment-903</link>
		<dc:creator>134th General Assembly &#124; Presbyterian Record</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Be Not Afraid A new Presbyterian at his first Assembly by Richard Bonetto [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on 134th General Assembly : Women Who Serve by 134th General Assembly &#124; Presbyterian Record</title>
		<link>http://www.presbyterianrecord.ca/2008/07/01/134th-general-assembly-women-who-serve/comment-page-1/#comment-902</link>
		<dc:creator>134th General Assembly &#124; Presbyterian Record</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Women Who Serve Celebrating a century of Diaconal Ministries. by Emily Wierenga [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on 134th General Assembly : Power of the gospel by 134th General Assembly &#124; Presbyterian Record</title>
		<link>http://www.presbyterianrecord.ca/2008/07/01/134th-general-assembly-power-of-the-gospel/comment-page-1/#comment-901</link>
		<dc:creator>134th General Assembly &#124; Presbyterian Record</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Power of the gospel Hans Kouwenberg reflects on the past year. by Emily Wierenga [...]</description>
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